Evil nauseating scum plus utterly bent ref 1 Arsenal 3
It was as if Stoke City had studied the disgraceful tactics of Birmingham City and seen them as a blueprint rather than a dire warning.
And in one way they were right. After all, if you can cut out a player totally for a year or maybe more, and just risk a 3 match ban – well, why not? It is a simple tactic. Share it around between the other disgraceful anti-football clubs and they can all help each other. Take out the footballing club, return football to the thugs.
Diaby, Eduardo, Ramsey… how much longer do we have to take this?
The answer is, as long as the EPL and UEFA rule the way football is run in Europe. No matter how evil the attack on a talented player the worst you get is three games out.
All we have to do is look at what Birmingham did. They took the three games out for their player, refused even a simpering apology, and then brought him back into football continuing their evil approach.
What made it so much worse was the referee. It wasn’t that he was the only bent ref we have seen, but that he was so naff at being bent, just shrugging off blatant penalties and fouls throughout the game.
Sky were part of it too. Expressing surprise when the evil maniac who carried out the attack was sent off. “And its a red…” they screeched as if it could have been something else. They might have said, “And all he will get is three matches out, while Arsenal once again lose a player for a season.”
Stoke should be removed from football – as should Birmingham have been. The owners and players who have conspired to act in this way should be removed from football.
Football should be a game in which players with skill can celebrate their skill and revel in their ability. We should appreciate that skill no matter what.
What Stoke do, what Birmingham did, is not football, any more than the hopeless rotational fouling of so many lower clubs is not football.
But meanwhile all the EPL do is remove corrupt Portsmouth from the EPL while leaving the courts to work out what to do with the Redknapp and his ex-pals.
Football could be great again, but not with the owners, players and supporters of Stoke around who cheered and cheered while Ramsey was taken away.
Stoke City FC, its players and supporters are an utter disgrace.
(c) Tony Attwood 2010.
You saw that 2-footed tackle that Faye committed to get the ball?
It was also a 50:50 ball, and CLichy was smart enough to jump and did not tried to play the ball.
On BRUM, divine justice was done as their team imploded and relegated.
Pray teh same divine justice and Arsenal Curse strikes Stoek City and relegates ‘em this season of the enxts eason at teh very altest.
CHelski vs Stoke City next weekend, an FA Cup tie.
WIll be most interesting as both teams are going to go in hard.
And if an English international is seriously injured, just watch how the media will bray for “justice”?
Fabregas leaving?
I believe that after the BRUM match, Hleb was so shaken that he was never the same player again and was angling for a mvoe away from English football.
And a few years back, Van Persie warned that flair players are getting very little protection and physicality will drive flair players like him and Fabregas out of the English game.
We all knew that every team nowadays are targetting Fabregas for a good kicking to keep him quiet. And it is a matter of not if, but when will Fabregas suffer a serious injury on another 50:50 ball incident liek he was injured WHEN ON THE GROUND when ALonso performed that tackled.
SImilarly, if you recalled a previosu incident against CHelski, Terry 2-footed lunge at Fabregas when he was falling on teh ground. Luckily there was another player between ‘em, else Fabregas will certainly be seriously injured – just a 3-match ban for Terry then.
Another incident was that of Liverpool ve Everton when Pienaar was fell by a tackle and Gerrars was charging in with a slide tackle and his knees connected with his ribs. Easily, a broken ribs.
And with this kind of dirty plays, deliberately comitted to intimidate players, and ENglish referees jsut take it as mundane stuff in a typical highly physical and committed English FOotball – adn those pansies and softies crybabies of a Johnny Foreigner, always whingeing, play acting, diving cheats, etc..cannot even play a man’s game without crying…..I wil not blame Fabregas and Van Persie, disenchanted by zero protection form referees and are presently contemplating life elsewhere.
3 serious injuries within a 5 year period is too much to swallow:
Once a happenstance;
Twice is a coincidence;
Thrice? @#$%^&@#
Here is what I sent to the FA:
“The FA is in part responsible for the horrendous act committed against Aaron Ramsay today at Stoke City FC.
The facts are that Stoke City FC have reportedly strategized to affect this fixture by acts of intimidation. This act alone is not necessarily grounds for an investigation but certainly silence by FA on that rumour is troublesome. And, now what do we have? Stoke City FC not only demonstrating these reported acts throughout the match, the FA accepting that, a referee allowing it, and a young Wales International fighting for his career.
I have seen the FA stand up for absolutely nothing as far as Arsenal are concerned. All that I ask is the FA investigate the rumours. Investigate the manager & player. And, hold them accountable for the act if found guilty.
Finally, this is the third similar act of hostility portrayed against the Arsenal within 5 years. How do you account for this? The FA should have its own internal investigation and be held accountable for allowing this to occur.
I have lost a great deal of respect for the FA especially in recent years and in recent weeks.
Respectfully,
Chris Geczy
Sadly, its an Arsenal player and the British media, FA, and EPL aren’t likely to take any
serious action.
Poor officiating breeds this type of horrific injury. However, all of the English officials are inept.
Not only should the player get an extended ban, but the official should also be suspended, demoted to 1st division matches.
I’m not sure if this was a turning point for Arsenal, but the effort by our players was sensational.
Good email Chris. Bet it gets no reply!!
If we want to hear our voices heard, I will repost a suggestion by Andrew on the usually excellent Goonerholic blog:
“Every gooner around England and abroad has to make the FA realize that enough is enough
“Every gooner with a blog has to criticize the FA because its because of their rules that this has happended to us year after year
use this website to complain to the FA
http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/WhoWeAre/ContactUs.aspx
another one for the FA
http://www.thefa.com/feedback/
“This is for the premier league
info@premierleague.com.
“I know you must be thinking that we can do much but we have a chance to finally stop this there are around 50 million arsenal fans world wide and its only 1% of them do somthing about it then we can atleast make the FA sit up and think about it.”
The same “nice boy” Shawcross broke Francis Jeffers ankle with a tackle from behind about 3 years ago.
Last year, “Mummy’s Boy” Shawcross executed a two-footed challenge on Adebayor at the Ems, for which he did not even receive a remonstration. Adebayor was an Arsenal player at the time.
It is no surprise then that he is rewarded with an England call up. What better way to ensure a bagfull of red cards and quick exit from the World cup?
RoyVasey,
Probably right. I just needed to do something. This is Edu all over again. It hurts! I have a 10 year old for God Sake and this stuff is terrible to see. I wish the Ramsay’s well!
Shocking foul on Ramsey -typically over zealous, mistimed, over the ball. Referees and the media establishment are not only not protecting teams that try to win with skill rather than brawn, they are openly encouraging thuggery of this type. Was it deliberate? No but it was reckless and it has profound consequences- but not for Stoke City or their vile fans. Just because Shawcross is not criminally responsible for breaking an opponents leg does not mean he is not totally responsible for such a reckless challenge.
Shawcross and Stoke City should pay the price- legal action and medical bills.
I have booked a ticket to go to England and in my ninja suit I will personally mug and shatter the knees of Shawcross, Martin Taylor and Dan Smith. You read it here first. Soon they will break another leg just to bait me out but next time I’m using a sniping rifle.
The problem is the FA…..aptly named because they always do sweet FA.
As long as they tacitly endorse the culture of thuggery in the game, by turning a blind eye to all the wrong things, like Shawcross’s off the ball off the pitch whack on Rosicky a year or two back, and Managers who verbally endorse violence, etc etc etc……
as long as all this stuff is tacitly condoned, by limp refereeing, and the useless FA…then this is what you will get in an ever more professional game.
30 years ago the likes of Stan Bowles and Rodney Marsh looked as if they could have had a fag during the game.
The Hammers used to get well oiled before matches……..
BUT this is 2010, and you’ve got 22 very fit athletes on the pitch.
The fact that the FA has failed to properly monitor the game and adjust to the changes is a pure outrage.
What Arsenal should do is bring a legal case against Stoke. It doesn’t matter if it never gets to court.
As a test case it’ll show Arsenal’s commitment to defending its players against thuggery.
It’ll also stop opposition managers and players thinking they can kick Arsenal out of a game.
A little late to still find myself mulling the implications of what I saw yesterday.
Walter
On the Eduardo substitution: Possibly the intention was not purely tactical, it must have sent a message of sorts to both sets of players before the crucial closing stages of the game?
Props to AW, yet again.
IndianGooner has already commented upon that thought, doh!
What a substitution!
Just close your eyes and try to think if that was one of your kid, a 19 year old kid who was playing football but ended up on a stretcher like that……
It’s a sad sad day for every Arsenal supporters, but a very good day as we saw the rally against the accusation of this team having no fire and will to win.
Fuck off chelski, fuck off manure, fuck off stoke, fuck off the leg breaker overrated cunt……it’s time for EVERY GUNNERS to stand up and be counted in this hughly exciting run-in.
My condolences go out to Aaron and his family…let this incident motivate you to recover and succeed.
Having read the various messages left on this blog, I felt propelled to write a letter to the FA. I agree with those who believe addressing this incident through formal channels is far more effective a method. I have also sent a letter to the Arsenal Supporters Trust to hopefully initiate a petition to do more to kick out this kind of unsporting ‘mentality’ from the modern game.
Its a big ask, but somewhere along the line, it has to start. Lets rally together…
LETTER TO THE FA
To Whom It May Concern,
I am writing out of profound concern over what I have recently witnessed with regards to the Stoke City and Arsenal game on the 27/02/10. It is shocking to see a team well-reputed to systematically approach football in a ‘physical’ nature eventually commit what was inevitably a tragic incident.
The major concern I have with this is that incidents like this could and should be prevented at all costs to protect the values and image we have of the modern game of football. The photographic images are shockingly self evident as to the damage it could cause the overall image it has. With the huge popularity football now enjoys, people of all ages will have been exposed to this incident and this will send out a cluster of images that football is not what it ought to be. A team known for its ‘physical’ nature versus one known for its ‘technical’ ability – this is the end result. Is this what football truly represents?
Professional sportsmen at all levels of sport have a standard of safety which are intended to protect those involved. If a team, for example, is well known and reputed to have an aggressive ‘physical’ nature, then shouldn’t this standard of safety incorporate this as evidence of intent and try to prevent this kind of aggressive and unsporting mentality to culminate into a regrettable incident that has now unfortunately put a talented and aspiring young individual’s career in grave jeopardy?
Shouldn’t the governing bodies that attempt to uphold the safety of all who are involved do more to pre-empt such scenarios for the sake of those directly at risk and also those who deeply believe in the values of sportsmanship, football a pillar that represents this ideology, helping to support the fabric of our society as whole?
As the governing body of the EPL, the FA must do more to prevent and deter such unsporting behaviour spoiling the foundations of football we look up to and support.
I am deeply appalled by this incident and am followed by many others who feel the same way, not just because of its horrific nature, but mainly because this could evidently have been prevented. It has not. My fear, if not vigorously and comprehensively addressed immediately, incidents like this will continue to happen with freakish regularity, and those who have been made tragic examples of, such as Aaron Ramsey, will have struggled in vain.
It easy. To cut out such tackles, ban the player involved for as long as the injured player takes to recover.
Good comment by shotta-gun. I just left the following feedback on FA’s website. Let’s all Arsenal fans do something about it!
Stop the “KICK ARSENAL” campaign!
Three blatant career-threatening tackles vs Arsenal players in 4 years – bad enough to take out couple of years out of the footballing career of the player, if fortunately not severe enough to end it altogether.
Before every match the Managers and the Players talk about how they’re gonna “get in the face”, as Arsenal “don’t like it up’em”. The disciplinary records for these teams are there for all to see – they’re always bottom of the Fair Play league. The Refs turn a blind eye to every tackle that is an accident waiting to happen and react only when a leg is broken instead of nipping the problem in the bud.
I demand to know that is the Football Association, responsible for footballing matters, is actually doing to sort out the problem. Why doesn’t it take action against the players, managers and media-pundits who advocate the best way to stop Arsenal is to KICK ARSENAL??
Tony, i’ve been reading your excellent posts for some months now and I have to say, you’ve always been measured and pragmatic in your output. I’m sure that Ryan Shawcross meant no malice or intent with his tackle on poor young Aaron but that’s actually very irrelevant. Today you, like myself and nearly all of our fellow gooners that i’ve read, heard and spoken to, have finally, and rightly so, vented our genuine and deepest feelings at what has been happening and has now happened again to one of our young lads.
The frequency of these kinds of incidences should be negligible within our modern game by now and have been confined to the dark-ages where they belong; along with some of those pundits and hacks who, unfortunately, used to play in that way and still advocate it. What really confuses me most, however, is how the two-faced, xenophobic, incompetent and irresponsible British footballing media, and authorities, continue to act as supporters of this policy of play which will ultimately (rather naively on their part) conclude with a British national football team NEVER EVER again winning another international tournament as the rest of the footballing world and authorities continue to move on to develop a more civilised game that does not tolerate such physically harmful tactics. I have never felt so angry and despairing after any game of football as I feel today!
To have to constantly accept the over-exuberant tactic of “in their face” physicality against our players, without anyone ever being held fully accountable when it goes wrong (hiding behind a banner of “no professional footballer ever goes out to intentionally hurt another fellow pro”), is totally irresponsible, and is bordering on criminal in the real world! To keep saying that these incidents have a greater chance of happening to Arsenal because “of the way that they play”, and “anyway – Arsenal used to stick their foot-in when Viera et al were playing for them”, is utter nonsense and has actually given dangerous carte-blanche and license for it to continue as it does. The question one has to ask is, if we were Barcelona or another big European “footballing side”, or if Ramsey had been Xavi or Iniesta, would this type of play be allowed to continue in Britain? I don’t believe so. When any footballer or team play football, as does any employee or employer in their chosen profession, they have to take full responsibility for ALL of their actions and they should accept the consequences with a commensurate punishment should an ill-event occur (for example look at what occurs in the various forms of rugby)! This, for some bizarre reason, never ever seems to happen in football and therefore people never learn and change is never made.
It is now seriously time for the myopic British footballing world to finally start reflecting properly before it becomes too late and, perish the thought, before one of its “golden-boys” (i.e. Rooney, Gerrard or Lampard) suffer the same career-threatening fate rather than a very talented young lad from Wales who may now never get a chance to go to the world cup. Would they be as dismissive and defensive then?!
All my best wishes to you Aaron and i’m sure you’ll be back playing again soon after a full recovery; becoming one of the best players that Arsenal and the British Isles have ever produced!
i nearly cried…well actually their were tears in my eyes,what the f%@#$ tackle…..but u have to admit football is a physical sport and shit happens, but yes if it was intentional then he shud be punished but making fouls for team sake is part of football…..
really feel sorry for ramsey…he was looking good but now he will surely take 1.5 to 2 seasons to shine again…..
but your article is more of an emotional burst i think….put urself in shawcross shoes, wud you do any kind thing to end someone career??i don’t think so. I think u wrote this just after the game, and i too wanted to kill shawcross at that time, but things just goes on.
GET WELL SOON RAMSEY…
Fuck Shawcross. He can train Monday with England, what a joke!
Ramsey will be in bed for the next few weeks at least.
Sorry fella but it’s the do gooders of this world spouting that tripe that make me sick!!
Ban him from playing til Ramsey can play. Make him pay damages!
This Sh*t can be cleared up quite quickly with one swoop. I have said for years now
a) If a player is injured in a game the player that injures him should leave the field until either a) the injured player returns or b) is substituted
b) where a player has suffered a break the offending players should be suspended from the game for at least the same time as the injured player
In my opinion that would soon keep the thugs quiet !! I am absolutely outraged but let me tell you this life has a strange way of turning things upside down and just as Eduardo’s break almost on the same day 2 years ago began our demise, I firmly believe the way the boys responded last night is the beginning of our march to the title !!
I agree completely with you Wonderman.
The punishment should be very severe but do you really think the Fa will do such a thing ? Not even in our wildest dreams they will couse they are F$$$$ng as$$$$les.
I think they opened a bottle of champagne after the incident… just like after the Eduardo horror.
The pathetic excuse that “Ryan Shawcross is not that type of player” is patently not true as he has already broken the leg of another player and tried on another Arsenal player before.
http://content.thisis.co.uk/sentinel07/homepage/ad_panel/sentinel_backpage.pdf
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1083214/Arsenal-striker-Adebayor-ruled-weeks-Stoke-clash.html
In view of his past he should get a none months ban. Breaking the leg of an opponent is rare but twice breaking the leg of an opponent in such a short career is a pattern that should quickly be shot down. The FA should throw the book at him and at Stoke.
Stoke are team of thugs, wrestler and rugby players who foul their ways to victory and safety in the premiership.
Because of the little Englander mentality, teams are allowed to kick and maim others with impunity.
Because of the Ramsey’s injury, nobody mentionned that we had two legitimate penalties appeal turn down (unless the rules have changed and shoving and kicking is now allowed against Arsenal).
Dany pugh committed the worst foul a two footed lunge at Eboue who saw it coming and got out of the way. If he had not moved away he would have had a broken leg like Rambo. Because the player got the ball, the refere considered it an acceptable tackle. It was not it was RECKLESS and DANGEROUS.
As it was mentionned by somebody else before, Clichy had the same kind of incident with Fayet who would have broken his leg if he had not moved away.
Song was booked for winning cleanly the ball and will miss two games.
In the mean time a thug that has wrecked the career of at least two fellow professionals will be banned for three games and will represent his country against Egypt.
How do you reconcile that with fair and honest refereing.
The answer is for English referee to apply the rules and stop making excuses and leeway for lower team. They are referee not equalizer. Some simple rules that are never being enforced by the England referees:
+ persistent fouling is a yellow card
+ overtly physical play is a reckless tackle. According to the laws, reckless tackle is at minimum a yellow card.
+ deliberate professional foul is a yellow card.
+ dangerous play that put in danger the physical integrity of another player is a red card. Even if you do not make actual contact.
+ tackle from behind is at least a yellow card and if there is contact a red card.
Valentin, I couldn’t have said it any better.
I’m thinking of writing another open letter to my colegues in England.
I start tonight and send it to Tony.
Stoke’s manager’s a Welshman and considering Rambo is the most promising talent they have in their national side, I’m sure he’s genuinely gutted. “It was a bad challenge” is a concession from the poorly handled analysis and response post Eduardo’s break.
Lets be honest, this is also a hang over from the kicking Cesc got in Europe against Porto. Porto said before the game they needed to stop Cesc, it was disgusting how several of the Porto players were on the pitch for the duration of the match, for sure the Stoke lads will have watched this and joked about it in the build up to the match.
Football is suffering as the stakes are so high. If not policed by the referee things get out of control as we know, but it is the FA and UEFA that must face the music here. All three players at Arsenal have suffered premeditated violent conduct on the field, not simply strong challenges and there is an obvious connection.
I like the comments regarding a financial obligation/remuneration and both parties absence from the game for the same period as the injured player, anything to improve upon than the lame three match bans and personality witch hunts post match.
Ligaments and metatarsals are one thing…… but to snap bones takes force and that’s the sickening truth that makes any defense based on an individual’s normal behavior irrelevant. It’s reckless and if you’re a professional sports person, you know your job. Have never forgiven Man-IOU, Paul “Scones”, for kicking Reyes off the park, Reyes never recovered from the experience and it was so obviously premeditated, reminded me of how some coaches praise that blood and guts commitment.
Arsenal are no angels, simply more technically gifted than many of the sides they play. They are not lightweight as in previous seasons but cannot always compete due to a lack of continuity in decisions and protection from the referees and “the suits” in the game.
Slightly off topic, but the BBC commentators were fairly ascerbic about the lack of fairness of Phil Dowd in the first 35 minutes of the Carling Cup Final today.
Apparently he had sent off quite a few Utd players in the past and Ferguson was minded to say: ‘The ref was Phil Dowd: what can you expect?’
Today: he didn’t send the Serb off in 3 minutes, the key decision of the game, he didn’t book him, but booked 3 opponents for not much and failed to book Rafael either. A huge ironic cheer went up when he finally booked a Red. The Serb was booked second half, so the decision in minute 3 was doubly incendiary.
There was unanimity on the basis for a sending off from Hansen, Shearer, Southgate, O’Neill, Lawrenson, Mowbray and Lineker. The language was of the order of: ‘if that’s not a clear goalscoring chance, then I don’t know what is………’
I guess public intimidation of refs can work, can’t it??
Lineker et al didn’t check the ‘story’ for Rooney being on the bench. They said he had ‘flu, Rooney when questioned said ‘I didn’t know about that, my knee was a bit sore’. Didn’t see owt to suggest that……at the end, Lineker reckoned SAF would pull Rooney from the England squad. Perhaps it was just his little joke??
That’s life right now, I guess.
Sickening tackle. I hope Aaron’s gonna be OK. Have seen him play a few times in the Carling Cup, uniformly excellent.
I send an email to Lord Triesman, chair of the FA management board, c/o House of Lords via http://www.writetothem.com/lords
Dear Lord Triesman,
AARON RAMSEY BROKEN LEG, 27 February 2010
I write to you in your capacity as chair of the Football Association (FA).
I am a concerned football fan, deeply distressed by the broken leg suffered by a promising young British football star, Aaron Ramsey, on 27 February at Stoke City’s ground.
I am concerned that a career may have been ended, and that the only sanction the FA will seek against the perpetrator of this reckless and possibly career-threatening challenge is a three-match ban.
I would hope that given the propensity for the players of certain teams to suffer career-threatening injuries far more frequently than others in the Premier League, that the FA will immediately inquire formally into the conditions that have led this unacceptable culture of thuggery in our national game to develop, and to find ways of mitigate it through the use of stiffer sanctions (fines, bans eg Belgian FA 15-game ban, criminal prosecution for assault).
As you are aware, England is keen to host a World Cup in the near future. Unfortunately, until our national game is scourged of the vicious thugs who think they can maim highly skilled players simply because they are unable to impose themselves any other way, I fear it is unlikely that England would be seen as a suitable venue.
Yours sincerely,
I was young, fit with a 32inch waist the last time England won a major football tournament…even then in 1966 we needy Nobby Stiles to kick the foreign flair players and Ramsey to reinvent the beautiful game…its no coincidence we have won nothing 40 years on when we still place more importance on physical presence rather than silky skills. TV coverage of the game encourages and admires a player and teams that “play it hard and stop the talented players that try to play football like the Arsenal. If we dont win another trophy in my lifetime but continue to play the game as it should be played then I will die a happy fan!
For a totaly disgusting, thoughtless shit headed point of view you should have heard that fat git Alan Brazil on Talkshit on Monday morning, if anyone had any doubt about that stations view on Arsenal Football club and Arsene Wenger they would have been totaly dispelled, they hate us with a passion that is scary, just ask Darren Lewis of the Daily Mirror who was subjected to ridicule and distain for aggreeing with Arsene Wengers point of view, as he left the studio they laughed and said there he goes with his tail between his legs!!!!
Thats how much talkshit hates the Arsenal !!!!