Comments on: Wenger’s genius revealed as clubs face new “home grown” rule

By: Tony Attwood

Tony Attwood — Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:03:42 +0000

Pesky things these rules

By: jbh

jbh — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:49:24 +0000

SSN said Clichy, Denilson and Fabregas were all examples which qualified. Remember it is turning 21 in the new year 2010.

By: Flint McCullough

Flint McCullough — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:15:04 +0000

Premier League . com

“A home-grown player will be defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the Season during which he turns 21).‬‪”

My reading of that is Vela will qualify, unless a player becomes unregistered, while on loan. Song was on loan to us – so would he be fully registered?

Denilson was 21 on Feb 16 this year, so he has 3 seasons at the end of the Season during which he turns 21.‬

Clichy signed 9 days after his 18th birthday on July 26, so unless pre season counts, he will not qualify.

By: diceman

diceman — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:01:28 +0000

Abit confusing this rule is eh?

But we ll be fine any how….why can’t it started this season though? Maybe instead of buying anyone they cab then city would buy all the 15-17 years old from every team…

By: LRV

LRV — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:44:17 +0000

Tony, that still qualifies him, Denilson, I mean. His 2½ years bestride 3 seasons before his 21st birthday I think.

By: Adam Smith

Adam Smith — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:40:35 +0000

Tony,

just a small point, as I understand it, it is three seasons not three years for the home grown players under 21.

By: Tony Attwood

Tony Attwood — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:34:54 +0000

Interesting point – do players qualify if they are out on loan in another country?

No details that I can see. Shame about Denilson not qualifying – he was with us for 2 years 6 months before his 21st.

By: LRV

LRV — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:30:52 +0000

Arsene Wenger’s foresight is just beginning to pan-out. More is still to come, to the chagrin of the doubters.

By the way, it is nice to get our site back from the ranters.

By: Flint McCullough

Flint McCullough — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:51:48 +0000

I think you have got it a bit wrong here, Tony.

Diaby, Denilson & Eboue definitely do not qualify as they were over 18, when they signed, & came from outside England & Wales. You can however add Mannone. Szczesny is under 21 but will also still qualify, when he reaches that age. It seems we shall find out if that is a good thing tomorrow at Liege, because one of them is going to play.

Song should qualify as he was signed, on loan, before his 18th birthday but there could be a technicality here about a loan deal, who knows.

Vela is ok for this season & next because he will be under 21 but I doubt he will qualify as trained for 3 years, in England as he was in Spain, even though he was our player.

Even so we have more than enough & plenty coming through to challenge for 1st team spots in the next few years.

The way to look at it is that you can have 17 player from anywhere + 8 trained anywhere in England & Wales, for 3 years before they were 21.

For the immediate effect you should look at how many of the 17 you already have. We have funnily enough 17 whilst I believe Chelsea have 18 (in a squad of 24).

I shall have to do some research but on the face of it Chelsea & Lpool may struggle more than most with this.

Another benefit for us will be the value of our young players, who do not make it with us, is going to soar.

Your article last week, England Youth development.., has suddenly become even more relevant. Show what foresight you have.

By: diceman

diceman — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:31:36 +0000

great rule for Wenger’s Arsenal…it takes a great great deal of patience (with results and some gloomers) but it ll finally, at last, proved to be a genius plan.

PS: wtf about a claim about RVP’s “mouthed-word”? When do footballers ever say nice things on the pitch…to me I thought that people who got offended clearly deserved it…it’s what you get when u blindly support a hedius egomaniac crimal cunt…

By: jbh

jbh — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:28:33 +0000

SSN just reported that Chelsea are currently worst off with only 8, then Liverpool with 9. Aston (HYH) Villa best with 24. Benitez also interviewed and saying that the rule should have been introduced in 2 or 3 years not next season. Oh dear.

By: james taberman

james taberman — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:22:54 +0000

A credit to Arsenal and Wenger’s foresight,maybe good news for youth development here but what will happen to the strength of the Premiership?
Many clubs (apart from the ones with sugar daddy owners ) are already struggling to attract top foreign players due to the new 50% income tax rule and weakening of sterling…

By: Faron

Faron — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:27:42 +0000

jordan, yes mate they can. as the player would have learnt his trade in an English & Welsh Team.

By: jordan

jordan — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:47:18 +0000

if a player has been at an english club for 3 years then moves to another club are they still allowed to play as they have been at the other club for 3 years??

By: aqqe

aqqe — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:23:29 +0000

Eboue does not fit the criteria, he arrived after his 21st birthday.

This is definitely a mouth watering prospect though. I think we would even survive the horribly xenophobic and idiotic 6+5 rule if (God forbid!) it is ever introduced. I’ve been going around thinking about it just for fun, and here’s a possible 6+5 compatible Arsenal team of the future (let’s say, 4 years from now):

Fabianski
Hoyte-Bartley-Vermaelen-Gibbs
Frimpong
Fábregas-Wilshere
Walcott-van Persie-Arshavin

Just one example of many different combinations. Quite fun stuff to keep your mind occupied during the days, really.

By: walter

walter — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:13:34 +0000

It looks ironic to see that Arsenal “that foreigners club” can cope easy with the rule.
Good looking in the future by AW.

By: Nhan Le

Nhan Le — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:48:24 +0000

If policy is indeed as you stated, the market will simply be heated up for players with English background: if you can’t educate them you buy them. As for players, those with 3 years of English training will have a premium. I’m not even sure how big this premium is because the restriction is not that binding. Say, for the case of Lampards and Cole – Chelsea never grew these players but they will still qualify.

You are right, Liverpool may suffer a little bit. But they can always go out and buy “homegrown” players from some other british clubs. Don’t forget that this rule is voted in by the majority of EPL clubs. Many will benefit from it as bigger clubs will have to pay more to acquire their British players.

By: Faron

Faron — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:35:40 +0000

I dont think Eboue makes it. But it is a very strong outfit isnt it. This is What Wenger has been building while the other Managers have been spending the big buck on non home grown players.

There is also high hopes Jay Emmanuel Thomas. Big strong midfielder.

Conquelin will be in th HG zone by then also.

I could mention more, but i would be writing all day.

The Future is very Bright.

By: Abhishek

Abhishek — Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:24:33 +0000

I can surely say that Wenger time has come. Just looks like the whole Arsenal policy was in anticipation of this policy change. Great to see that nationality is not an issue and only players from these English or Welsh clubs have been included.

I expect not only a great era from us but also a high demand for our players on loan. That would really pay us much more than what we expected from these kids.

Can some one tell me if we can play a team in championship too. coz I really feel that loaning out our players to so many teams we should play them in a team and they would certainly do well.