To boo players when the game is in play is definitely NOT ACCEPTABLE. It is perfectly normal to boo (just to show yr disapproval) before the game or after the game if the player had played badly (If you lead a public life, you must be mentally tough & strong to live up to the fact that u are constantly under public scrutiny)….I don’t see any reason y cannot moan & groan on blogs, ultimately it is for thinking bloggers to decide for themselves. To silence moaning & groaning on blogs is damn bloody unhealthy. it will lead only to the development of sycophant mentality.

Since u have call for peace & truce, I also do not wish propagate this thread further

My “fox-tail” (whatever the heck that means) is revealed by saying that fans are enjoying the entertainment that our team is giving, is it? I have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about when you say that, but I am sure you thought it sounded very good when you wrote it.

Your post is riddled with grammatical errors and rather strange comments such as ““..We lost the semis to two of the best teams in the world..” did they win the specified trophy ?” Well, yes, Chelsea did win the FA Cup last season, did they not? And Utd did make the Champions League Final and were the defending champions, which I would say does indeed make them one of the “best teams in the world”. Or are you saying that winning the English Championship and making the Champions League Final does not qualify a team to be called one of the best in the World?

And what on earth does “Both of you are just like asking yr wife to be frugal but give price asset to mistresses.” mean in the context of supporting Arsenal?

And “we moan & groan but we give due credit. we want to keep the players on their toes, reflect on what we said, if it is true, change for the better. that y you see a much improved Song” almost makes it sound like you think that players actually listen to us fans and our ridiculous comments. Uh, they don’t. They know we are completely unrealistic, not rational, over emotional, and slightly insane when it comes to our team. Do they listen to Arsene Wenger and his coaching staff? Yes, I would hope so. But they dont, and never should, listen to the fans. If they did then Emmanuel Eboue and Alexander Song and many others would have left the club years ago given the amount of “he’ll never be fit to wear the shirt” comments headed in their direction.

The one thing I would totally agree with is your comment that “ONLY HYPOCRITES HIDE BEHIND “unrealistic expectations and unrealistic demands of players”. But then I wonder if you completely missed my point on that front, since you almost seem to be using that comment to counter my argument, which is of course ridiculous as you are simply confirming what was saying and you, being so much smarter than I am, would never have made that simple mistake.

And what does “In conclusion, both of u should be cook but first please check yr IQ” mean? I am asking honestly, because I have absolutely no idea whatsoever. What does “cook” mean in this context?

In short, I would love to reply to more of your points one by one, as you have so kindly asked me to do, but I just have no idea what on earth what you are talking about half (or more) of the time.

So, I will instead just say “peace to you, brother” and hope that we can announce some kind of truce. You brought me into one post of yours and now I have brought you into one post of mine. We are even in that respect. I should insult you and question your IQ to be truly even, but feel that would only propagate this thread further. Instead I am going to take your advice and go off to check that my brain is properly engaged after the masterly way you tore my post to shreds.

I suppose I should try and figure out how you tore my post to shreds first, shouldnt I? Hmmm, this is now getting confusing for someone like myself, with such a small IQ.

To Mr Walter,
I have NEVER even for one second think that I am better than AW.
At least u wake up.
A fool who knows his own foolishness is wise at least to that extent.

This really is great insight of how things developed and currently stand. If I had a hat, I would take it off for you. Great.

And yes we all sometimes think that we know better than Wenger. But thats only af few seconds and then we realise the truth.

The funniest thing is that so many of the “moaners and groaners” criticise people like us for living in an “AW knows best” dreamland. Quite the contrary, I think of myself as very realistic. I actually view the “moaners and groaners” who expect trophies EVERY season and constant domination of the English game to be the unrealistic ones, with unrealistic expectations and unrealistic demands of players.

It’s that I always felt too but couldn’t get it out the right way.

It’s so true that gloomers cannot give up their agenda, they think it’d make them look stupid. Most of them can’t even approve Song’s becoming of a great player. What a shame.

I, along with you Paul C., woke up and know everyday that when it comes to football, Wenger is on another planet.

A funny thing then happened. Over the final 6 months of the season our young and ridiculously inexperienced (without Cesc and Theo for long periods as well) team fought like mad. They showed grit and determination. Results did not show it for a while, we got loads of draws and didnt make headway in the League and so the “moaners and groaners” thought that things were still terrible. But most fans could see things changing. Most fans could see character and determination and growing maturity. But still the “moaners and groaners” moaned and groaned. Then Arshavin settled in, and Cesc came back, and the team took off and passed Villa and made it to two semi-finals. We lost the semis to two of the best teams in the world and that gave the “moaners and groaners” a chance to crow again, but most fans could by now see past that.

Over the summer the “moaners and groaners” went along with the media and screamed about how bad things were. But most fans could see the truth. Most fans were by now hugely optimistic about the season. I certainly was. I didnt know if we were going to win a trophy but I thought this would be one of the most entertaining teams in the world. But the “moaners and groaners” couldnt change their tune, they had too much invested in it. To change their tune would have been to admit they were wrong, and the “moaners and groaners”, for some reason, saw that as a sign of weakness. I see it as stupidity. I awake every morning and admit I am dumber than Arsene Wenger. I see no weakness in saying “Arsene Wenger is smarter than I am when it comes to football”.

So now while most fans are having a great time watching this fresh young team, the “moaners and groaners” are stuck singling out inidvidual players and screaming “not worthy of wearing an Arsenal shirt” because they can no longer criticize the team as a whole. They must have SOMETHING to moan and groan about so they pick on individual players and compare them to Henry and Vieira and Bergkamp, true giants not only of Arsenal, but of the world game itself. Anyone would suffer in such comparison, but this fills the “moaners and groaners” with joy, because it makes them still feel as if they are somehow smarter than Arsene Wenger, and know more about football, and have something valid to contribute to the internet via blogs. And their fellow “moaners and groaners” join them in an ever decreasing circle, and they call themselves the “TRUE” fans.

Meanwhile, most Arsenal fans are happy to criticize Diaby for his frequent losing of posession while applauding his effort and potential, most Arsenal fans are happy to criticize our defensive weaknesses while at the same time realising that this wonderful attacking team wll never be a defensive juggernaut. Most fans are having huge amounts of fun watching this team provide the greatest entertainment and value for money in the whole bloody world.

I just think it is a pity that so many of the “moaners and groaners” cannot enjoy this moment.

About Diaby, he’s still improving. He’s still very young and for the first time ever he’s fully fit. So after 1-2 months he’s suddenly not good enough? Wenger’s persistent in playing him should be a couraging sign.

I still remember moaners (yes they do moan in summer too) criticizing Wenger in buying a “short” Belgian centerback no one heard of. Give OUR players and greatest manager some faith.

I don’t know what’s your point in hoping that I read the 2 quotes. Is it related to him playing best as striker? Wenger seems to think he’s not a DM that’s why he always said it’s hard for Diaby to think only defensively.

You said everyone supported Song, I don’t think so mate. I still saw a lot and I mean a lot of posters saying Song is a liability. He’s not only the most improved player this season but had proved to be a very hard player to replace. We need him.

Everyone has rights to moan. But what glommers do is ONLY moan.

When I see one player played badly, I came up and criticized how he had a bad game.

The difference is we don’t bitch about it.

And I singled you out, gunnersgun, because although you may not be one of those gloomers we talked about, you said sarcastic and abusive things towards many well-wish comments.

And most importantly, from what I can gather, you’re not a Wenger supporter. And us here don’t really like that from the beginning. He’s only the best manager.

Criticize the man. Don’t bitch about it. Talk about players’ performances, criticized them, don’t bitch and only moan. Give them praises and support too, in which I think they’re getting a worse deal presently.

It’s funny how I heard many Liverpool fans still brag and talk positively about their team and manager. While alot of so called gunners still moan and talk about not being good enough. And you think miracle don’t happy to us..,to get it we have to put our work in it first. You get what you give that’s why gloomers don’t deserve to celebrate when we win something.

Pick your side, you are either a gunner or a loser….

It seems that Kronke is buying shares but agreeing to pay for them at a later date, and is doing it with the agreement of the board. You cannot imagine a member of the board selling to him just so he can make a takeover that the board don’t want.

What arises from this is that if Kronke does not have the cash (not assets but cash) to buy the shares he is buying day by day, then how does he have enough to buy the whole club. It seems unlikely in the extreme that he has got the money to go all the way and buy the whole club.

But if he does – for example because any second now he is going to sell another asset he owns – what then? He buys a club that is totally mortgaged (as opposed to the buying Liverpool or Manchester United which were debt free, and thus open to the new owner borrowing totally against the new assets.

So how does he raise money against the club, if that is his aim? He can’t because all the assets are used to guarantee the overdraft, and will be for the next 15 years. The only possibility is that he holds it for 15 years and then sells it – which maybe is not what we want but at least gives 15 years stability.

So the key issues are

a) he is on the board and therefore working with the knowledge and acceptance of the board. If he is working behind the board’s back he will be kicked off, like Dein was.

b) he is not cash rich at the moment, so does not have the money to bid for the club

c) the club is not cash rich and debt free as Liverpool and Man U were.

d) Mr Usmanov is waiting in the wings and if Usmanov bids then Kronke can bid and mix up the situation. This situation could well be seen as a method of warning Mr Usmanov off. Mr Usmanov is not trying to outbid for these shares as far as I know.

So I think it is a way of securing the position, and keeping the stability, and bringing in a man who clearly knows a thing or three about running sports clubs. No one has ever said that he has destroyed the clubs he runs elsewhere have they? I think his reputation is fairly sound.

Normally I keep a regular eye on moderation messages but I left for the match at 3pm and got back after midnight, so have only just checked everything.

It was nothing personal – honest! Everything was cleared around 8.45am UK time.

Tony