By Walter Broeckx
As a few people were interested in my comments on the refs in previous games when we talked about the refs (and they did gave us plenty to talk about) I will try to add my referee part to the reviews if I can find the time.
Otherwise they say I talk with hindsight as with the case of Dean. But I thought I had bored you to death with me (and Dogface) warning you for him.
Yet apparently some people still didn’t know it. And some people telling me to talk after the game was a bit easy. It was but that is not my fault. That is more to do with what Dean has been doing again and again for years. But I could and should have warned you more before the game.
And I should have warned you also about the Atkinson-Chelsea combination. A combination I also thought was well known. And we had it confirmed during the game by the official not being able to hide his bias and resulting in some very debatable goals for Chelsea.
So I will try to do this and if Tony doesn’t mind we can add this to our game preview articles. Not that I possess all the graphics Dogface has but if possible I will try to add a few. But don’t know if I can make it work!
So Andre Marriner it is for the game against West Ham United. 42 years old and should be in his top years. He only has 4 seasons left as a Fifa ref where they have an age limit of 45 and he is from Birmingham it seems. So an outsider for a derby game. Well it couldn’t be any other way as …well there are no London refs to be found.
So how do we usually fair under Marriner? For those who like some graphics I will try to make it visible.
According to my numbers we have had him in 15 games in the PL so far. And we won 9 of those games, had a draw in 2 games and lost 4 of those games. So this gives us a win percentage of 60%. And that is a rather normal win % for Arsenal.
And the same thing we do now for West Ham and try to show you a graphic.
He has done 17 games when West Ham was involved and West Ham only won 3 of those games. That is far worse than their average win % this season but I think not that far off their usual record in the PL over the last years.
When it comes to penalties I have seen that he gave the same amount of penalties in our favour as against us and the same goes for West Ham.
In fact in our last year’s review he came out as one of the best refs in total. He had great competency numbers in general. A total of 75% of correct decisions was well above the average score of 70%.
And also his bias numbers were rather good. His home/away bias was almost the “normal” bias we found. And in the team bias we found many teams having no real positive or negative bias in the games we reviewed.
So the overall picture is of a ref who usually is not really biased. But who can have a bad game. One of those games was last years game between Blackburn – Arsenal. He gave an offside goal to Blackburn (assistant missed it) but he also didn’t give a blatant penalty for a foul from Robinson on Walcott in the last minute of the game. That cost him lots of points and gave him a rather negative Arsenal bias score. Some may also remember the game Arsenal – Liverpool two seasons ago with some late penalties being awarded in that game.
But in the other games he did when Arsenal was around I can’t remember much wrong. So I think it was more down to a bad day at the office.
So unless he has a bad day today I expect a referee who knows his rules and who will not try to tilt the game.
If you like it I will try to do this for each game. That is, if I can find the time. Because with the work I also do for the http://www.refereedecisions.co.uk/ website where you can see a review each day of the week of a PL game coming online, I sometimes find a day should have more than 24 hours.
The books…
- Woolwich Arsenal: The club that changed football – Arsenal’s early years
- Making the Arsenal – how the modern Arsenal was born in 1910
- The Crowd at Woolwich Arsenal FC: crowd behaviour at the early matches
The sites…
- Referee Decisions - just what are the refs up to this season?
- Parent News - what is going on in schools these days?
- The weight loss programme: The only guaranteed way to stay fit
- The Arsenal History Blog from the AISA Arsenal History Society
Oops, I didn’t correctly read the initial post because of my agenda. Time for a deflection using semantics. You’re a hypocrite because he didn’t score during the same run of play; it was moments later.
Podolski, running out of words:)
What ever Wenger gave them at half time, he needs to start with that.
The AAA will not like this
The negative comments coincidentally stopped. Let’s enjoy this one!
Dave C
Funny i didn’t see any negative comment
There are a few of the AAA being twits, and sending their twits to the BBC.
In the other game tonight, still scoreless. But, in the BBC commentary, we have:
> 2124: RED CARD- Eden Hazard
> This is truly remarkable. Eden Hazard has been sent-off for kicking a ballboy.
> I’ll say that again – Eden Hazard has been sent-off for kicking a ballboy.
> 2122: Swansea 0-0 Chelsea
> Oh my word. Eden Hazard has just tangled with a ball boy behind the goal!
> The ball boy refused to give the ball back, he lies on top of the ball and Hazard gives him a kick to the ribs as he tries to reclaim the ball. Extraordinary!
> Demba Ba goes over to help the young lad out. I’ve never seen anything quite like that.
I suspect it is going to be quite a while before Eden Hazard plays again.
Hazard just got a red card for kicking the ball from under Swansea ball boy.
The ball boy’s got a great career in acting!!!
12 mins ??? Really, was the delay that long?
The BBC commentary noted that Potts (defence) from West Ham was hurt, and received considerable attention, but they haven’t a clue as to what happened. West Ham has made all their subs, so they much be playing with 10 men. There should be another goal (or so) in this.
Chelsea – Football’s most morally corrupt team. Hazard’s kick on the ball boy is simply shameful.
nice one.
Dream final, Swansea vs Bradford. Don’t mind who wins but as Bradford have won a major cup I’ll back the Swans.
Meanwhile back at Wengerworld the Hammers are being hammered. The season starts now.
Why was TV5 substituted at 57 minutes? The BBC didn’t even note the substitution in the commentary.
As always, the team puts in a really good performance, and certain individuals disappear from these boards for days. Sad
Just saw the Hazard incident. It looks like the kid was milking it, but how stupid is Hazard to kick out at the kid? There is no way that will be seen as anything but terrible to the fans even if the kid didn’t get hurt. If there really is a bruise on the kid from Hazard’s shin unintentionally hitting the kid’s ribs while he made contact with his foot on the ball, Hazard is in real trouble.
What is the ball boy doing lying on top of the ball, Hazard kicks the ball. The reaction from the boy would make Deniro proud.
@Walter, that’s your countryman, yes?
I wonder what the ball boys father is thinking. Oh and can a ref send a ball boy off for time wasting?
Gord
TV5 got hurt when he and Ramsey got tangled while making a goal line clearance. That was before half time, so probably the manager dint want to risk it, considering the game was sewn up by then.
Thanks Al.
Marriner might have made some minor mistakes, just like any ref could I suppose, certainly there were no game changing ones a la dean. Found it weird though this was the second game we played 12minutes of extra time under the same ref, on the same pitch. So perhaps we should prepare to play 102 minutes again next time Marriner is in town:) Hope the west ham player is ok though…
The BBC just mentioned talking to Wenger after the game. Wenger apparently had heard that the West Ham player is okay. Still no mention as to what happened.
Hmm like i said aerier our league starts now and the sewer boys will shut up and shove it down whatever,just keep it up Arsenal fans.
@AI that’s what they do best,i don’t think they belong here they are just morons who love our site.
Did you also enjoyed the perfect way the assistant the “wait and see-instruction” for the Walcott goal (I think – lost count)?
Giroud in an offside position but Podolski came onrushing waving Giroud away…assistant holding his flag down (in such a moment you can raise it too quick and that is why he has to hold the flag in his left hand and to signal an offside he first has to put it in his right hand so he gets an extra half a second to wait and see) and then the game could continue and we scored.
I got a “ref-gasm” at that moment
Potts apparently has a concussion after colliding with Sagna. Apparently both were jumping for a ball. But the BBC thought it was some off the ball incident? Odd.
@Walter/Tony
Doublegooner and asd make the same sort of grammatical errors and both are AAA twits – any chance that they are one and the same?
Anyway, great win tonight, some cracking goals, well done the team!
another win under marriner. but I guess he didn’t have much to do. easy game for him.
I saw a youtube clip of Potts’ injury, but I can’t find it again to post the link. It was a standard aerial duel between him and Sanga. Potts jumped a bit late and collided with Sagna’s arm or shoulder (couldn’t tell which). It looked like he lost consciousness before hitting the ground. I feel bad for Pott’s, and I pray he’ll be all right and recover with no lasting effects–a scary fall. It was a clean header from Sagna, though. Just one of those very unfortunate accidents that can happen in a physical game. Certainly no ‘off-the-ball incident’ or dangerous play. I’m not a ref, but I suspect the review will confirm that there was no foul play.
So this moron Rupert happened to be watching the Swans game while Arsenal were playing! Why doesn’t he post his comments in proportion to his support for the club..that is nil!
I’m astounded reading the comments and seeing people actually feel referee bias is acceptable and we should have to far exceed any other teams performance just to deal with this issue alone.