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		<title>By: Joie Gillman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joie Gillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one! If I could write like this I would be well happpy. The more I see articles of such quality as this (which is rare), the more I think there might be a future for the Net. Keep it up, as it were.</description>
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		<title>By: andersred</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words about my blog.  We (supporters) are all in this weird football mess together, something too easily forgotten sometimes.

Merlin96 - quick point but the international rights are for three years so it isn&#039;t £50m pa but c. £17m pa. That&#039;s around £7m more pa per club than the current deal.

Football is an almost perfect example of the impact of increasing the money supply in an economic system with fixed supply.  Give 20 teams an extra £7m each and it will feed straight through into wages and transfer fees.  More money in football doesn&#039;t create more footballers (we&#039;d all be Premier League footballers at wages half what they are now if we could!), so the prices rise.

Add the fact that every extra pound for the PL vs.the Championship makes relegation an even worse fate and the imperative to spend to survive will become worse.

At some point, football needs to stop and realise that money revenue is no longer improving the &quot;product&quot; or &quot;fan experience&quot; but just making things worse.  Then we can put Scudamore to use doing something more socially useful (like selling arms to impoverished African nations perhaps, or ghost writing books for Katie Price).

LUHG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words about my blog.  We (supporters) are all in this weird football mess together, something too easily forgotten sometimes.</p>
<p>Merlin96 &#8211; quick point but the international rights are for three years so it isn&#8217;t £50m pa but c. £17m pa. That&#8217;s around £7m more pa per club than the current deal.</p>
<p>Football is an almost perfect example of the impact of increasing the money supply in an economic system with fixed supply.  Give 20 teams an extra £7m each and it will feed straight through into wages and transfer fees.  More money in football doesn&#8217;t create more footballers (we&#8217;d all be Premier League footballers at wages half what they are now if we could!), so the prices rise.</p>
<p>Add the fact that every extra pound for the PL vs.the Championship makes relegation an even worse fate and the imperative to spend to survive will become worse.</p>
<p>At some point, football needs to stop and realise that money revenue is no longer improving the &#8220;product&#8221; or &#8220;fan experience&#8221; but just making things worse.  Then we can put Scudamore to use doing something more socially useful (like selling arms to impoverished African nations perhaps, or ghost writing books for Katie Price).</p>
<p>LUHG</p>
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		<title>By: Merlin96</title>
		<link>http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/2695/comment-page-1#comment-16992</link>
		<dc:creator>Merlin96</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years back, I thought UEFA and FA were going to propose to limit a club total wage bill to not more than 50% turnover.
What happen?

As long as the global market keeps expanding - America still untap, relatively &quot;virgin territory&quot; and North-East Asia a most lucrative growing market - there is no way that UEFA can rein in Premier League as they continue to develop global markets and expand out of Europe.

If Prem League earns a new global TV rights of £1-billion per annum, where each team gets £50m per season, it si POSITIVE cash-flow as far as they are concern and will keep spending to retain prem league status.

Factor in merchandise sales, sponsorships and commercial rights, average turnover for each prem team may hit as high as £100m, or total prem league £2-billion for 2010/11 season. 

What UEFA report must do is to compare the annual prem league turnover to other European league turnover. Then we can get a better idea of the debt problem.

What prem league practices is the time-honored tradition of laissez faire capitalism, none better epitomised by this saying attributed to the late Jimmy Goldsmith:
&quot;Use other people&#039;s money to make money&quot;.

I am afraid that as long as the global market is growing, with new markets being developed all the time, growing global TV rights and commercial rights, and plenty fo sponsorships and sugar daddies, there is now ay UEFA can do anything about it.

The greatest danger to UEFA and FA is the growing threat of a Pan-European league where all these 20 elite teams believe they should keep all these billions to themselves rather than sharing with other &quot;not so globally attractive European leagues&quot;.

Prem league and Pan European league will go the way of the global F1 circus show to keep the billions to themselves.

if a &quot;Bernie Eccelestone&quot; suddenly appear to kick-start a Pan-EUropean League........with G-14, G-18, G-20.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years back, I thought UEFA and FA were going to propose to limit a club total wage bill to not more than 50% turnover.<br />
What happen?</p>
<p>As long as the global market keeps expanding &#8211; America still untap, relatively &#8220;virgin territory&#8221; and North-East Asia a most lucrative growing market &#8211; there is no way that UEFA can rein in Premier League as they continue to develop global markets and expand out of Europe.</p>
<p>If Prem League earns a new global TV rights of £1-billion per annum, where each team gets £50m per season, it si POSITIVE cash-flow as far as they are concern and will keep spending to retain prem league status.</p>
<p>Factor in merchandise sales, sponsorships and commercial rights, average turnover for each prem team may hit as high as £100m, or total prem league £2-billion for 2010/11 season. </p>
<p>What UEFA report must do is to compare the annual prem league turnover to other European league turnover. Then we can get a better idea of the debt problem.</p>
<p>What prem league practices is the time-honored tradition of laissez faire capitalism, none better epitomised by this saying attributed to the late Jimmy Goldsmith:<br />
&#8220;Use other people&#8217;s money to make money&#8221;.</p>
<p>I am afraid that as long as the global market is growing, with new markets being developed all the time, growing global TV rights and commercial rights, and plenty fo sponsorships and sugar daddies, there is now ay UEFA can do anything about it.</p>
<p>The greatest danger to UEFA and FA is the growing threat of a Pan-European league where all these 20 elite teams believe they should keep all these billions to themselves rather than sharing with other &#8220;not so globally attractive European leagues&#8221;.</p>
<p>Prem league and Pan European league will go the way of the global F1 circus show to keep the billions to themselves.</p>
<p>if a &#8220;Bernie Eccelestone&#8221; suddenly appear to kick-start a Pan-EUropean League&#8230;&#8230;..with G-14, G-18, G-20&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Gregory</title>
		<link>http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/2695/comment-page-1#comment-16970</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter, its a very decent blog, definitely worth keeping an eye on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter, its a very decent blog, definitely worth keeping an eye on.</p>
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		<title>By: walter</title>
		<link>http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/2695/comment-page-1#comment-16968</link>
		<dc:creator>walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil and Tony, thanks for the very intresting link you gave.
It seems that there are other &quot;untold&quot; sites on the world...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil and Tony, thanks for the very intresting link you gave.<br />
It seems that there are other &#8220;untold&#8221; sites on the world&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Finsbury</title>
		<link>http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/2695/comment-page-1#comment-16965</link>
		<dc:creator>Finsbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case anyone didn&#039;t understand why I thought of the Moscow subway as Chav$ki&#039;s ideal example of what an expanded station/vault underneath their Coal Shed might look like:

http://www.pjlighthouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/moscow-subway-art-dota-seo-01.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case anyone didn&#8217;t understand why I thought of the Moscow subway as Chav$ki&#8217;s ideal example of what an expanded station/vault underneath their Coal Shed might look like:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pjlighthouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/moscow-subway-art-dota-seo-01.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.pjlighthouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/moscow-subway-art-dota-seo-01.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: FunGunner</title>
		<link>http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/2695/comment-page-1#comment-16960</link>
		<dc:creator>FunGunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I DO have a major problem with sugar daddies - the club is not operating as a proper business, otherwise. You can&#039;t call the way money is pumped in by an owner &quot;doping&quot; AND not have a problem with it, surely? It&#039;s not unpredictability that causes wages inflation - it&#039;s an increase in available money that causes wage inflation, just like in the world outside football. And also other players/agents knowing what the top-paying clubs are paying. Any new rules would have to deal with sugar daddies as well as the self-funded versus council-provided grounds issue and variations in tax rates, but it would be all to the good because it would level the playing field. And making it more difficult to be a sugar daddy would make clubs less attractive as prospective rich man&#039;s plaything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I DO have a major problem with sugar daddies &#8211; the club is not operating as a proper business, otherwise. You can&#8217;t call the way money is pumped in by an owner &#8220;doping&#8221; AND not have a problem with it, surely? It&#8217;s not unpredictability that causes wages inflation &#8211; it&#8217;s an increase in available money that causes wage inflation, just like in the world outside football. And also other players/agents knowing what the top-paying clubs are paying. Any new rules would have to deal with sugar daddies as well as the self-funded versus council-provided grounds issue and variations in tax rates, but it would be all to the good because it would level the playing field. And making it more difficult to be a sugar daddy would make clubs less attractive as prospective rich man&#8217;s plaything.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Gregory</title>
		<link>http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/2695/comment-page-1#comment-16958</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, after &quot;earns&quot; at the end of the fist paragraph, its supposed to read &quot;around 60% more than the average La Liga side (the next biggest earning league)&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, after &#8220;earns&#8221; at the end of the fist paragraph, its supposed to read &#8220;around 60% more than the average La Liga side (the next biggest earning league)&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Gregory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zack, high earnings = can afford more debt, as you have a greater capacity to pay interest. The figures are horribly distorted due to an array of things. For example, most people don&#039;t know but the EPL earns

And THEN you factor in stuff like English clubs self-fund stadiums (French sides&#039; councils pay for them) or the fact that in Spain players pay 23% top band income tax compared to 40% in this country (soon to be 50%) so wage costs are vastly higher...

Until the financial systems in Europe are comparable, the debt figures aren&#039;t worth much as a means of comparison in my eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zack, high earnings = can afford more debt, as you have a greater capacity to pay interest. The figures are horribly distorted due to an array of things. For example, most people don&#8217;t know but the EPL earns</p>
<p>And THEN you factor in stuff like English clubs self-fund stadiums (French sides&#8217; councils pay for them) or the fact that in Spain players pay 23% top band income tax compared to 40% in this country (soon to be 50%) so wage costs are vastly higher&#8230;</p>
<p>Until the financial systems in Europe are comparable, the debt figures aren&#8217;t worth much as a means of comparison in my eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/2695/comment-page-1#comment-16956</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly don&#039;t see why on earth the FA and Premier League assert that because they earn more, then can borrow even more... Using logic (which is sorely lacking in the English FA), if you can earn more than others, there&#039;s a lesser need to borrow with your greater income. Sure, by earning more, you can also afford the debt, but that&#039;s surely covering the obvious-beyond-obvious fact that English Clubs are horribly overspending. The FA&#039;s case for defence is just pathetic. Trying to save Liverpool and Man Utd? 

Of course, there&#039;s also the other side of the coin. The Sugar Daddies. I&#039;m definitely behind the UEFA on this Financial Fair Play ruling. Chelsea disgusted me the moment Abramovich bought their titles, and now Man City too. This might have came a little too late, but better late than never right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don&#8217;t see why on earth the FA and Premier League assert that because they earn more, then can borrow even more&#8230; Using logic (which is sorely lacking in the English FA), if you can earn more than others, there&#8217;s a lesser need to borrow with your greater income. Sure, by earning more, you can also afford the debt, but that&#8217;s surely covering the obvious-beyond-obvious fact that English Clubs are horribly overspending. The FA&#8217;s case for defence is just pathetic. Trying to save Liverpool and Man Utd? </p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;s also the other side of the coin. The Sugar Daddies. I&#8217;m definitely behind the UEFA on this Financial Fair Play ruling. Chelsea disgusted me the moment Abramovich bought their titles, and now Man City too. This might have came a little too late, but better late than never right?</p>
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		<title>By: shotta-gunna</title>
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		<dc:creator>shotta-gunna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This piece and the link to that by the ManU fan on club finances at http://andersred.blogspot.com/2010/02/tale-of-two-rulebooks.html should be required reading for every fan of football and the English game in particular. The root of the problem is the  ideology that we can leverage and financialize every asset stimulating a virtuous cycle of endless profits for all players in the market. Harken back to the  the dotcom bubble in the early noughties or the recent housing fiasco. There is an elite of corporate raiders, big investment banks and hedge funds who have profitted from this leverage game leaving entire countries and now football clubs in an unholy mess.  Until the public turns against those in the clubs and the FA who continue to trumpet these policies there will be further ruin great clubs in England such as Manchester United and Liverpool. Portsmouth is already a basket case. Yet the FA&#039;s Peter Scudamore and various owners are doing everything to undermine minimal reforms proposed by UEFA. Yet the public in general stands mute. At least there has been a sea change in fan opinion of the Glazers at Manchester United which bodes well for the future.  But when, for example, will Aston  Villans shed the scales from their eyes and turn against the the type of leverage being pursued by Randy Lerner who has lashed increasing  debts on the club, in this case from his own related entities, while collecting very generous interest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece and the link to that by the ManU fan on club finances at <a href="http://andersred.blogspot.com/2010/02/tale-of-two-rulebooks.html" rel="nofollow">http://andersred.blogspot.com/2010/02/tale-of-two-rulebooks.html</a> should be required reading for every fan of football and the English game in particular. The root of the problem is the  ideology that we can leverage and financialize every asset stimulating a virtuous cycle of endless profits for all players in the market. Harken back to the  the dotcom bubble in the early noughties or the recent housing fiasco. There is an elite of corporate raiders, big investment banks and hedge funds who have profitted from this leverage game leaving entire countries and now football clubs in an unholy mess.  Until the public turns against those in the clubs and the FA who continue to trumpet these policies there will be further ruin great clubs in England such as Manchester United and Liverpool. Portsmouth is already a basket case. Yet the FA&#8217;s Peter Scudamore and various owners are doing everything to undermine minimal reforms proposed by UEFA. Yet the public in general stands mute. At least there has been a sea change in fan opinion of the Glazers at Manchester United which bodes well for the future.  But when, for example, will Aston  Villans shed the scales from their eyes and turn against the the type of leverage being pursued by Randy Lerner who has lashed increasing  debts on the club, in this case from his own related entities, while collecting very generous interest?</p>
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		<title>By: Finsbury</title>
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		<dc:creator>Finsbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Rhys Jaggers said was interesting, relating to the Arsenal Stadium Story. 

AFC&#039;s new stadium was built using the same process&#039; that any large scale commercial development project in London would require or use. 
But stadiums (I can&#039;t give any specific examples) can be funded as public infrastructure projects. e.g. In New York, home of Wall Street, the subway system was built using a Bond Issue, I think, &amp; vaguely speaking, the Jubilee Line extension successfully applied a smorgasbord of techniques.  

I believe there was an attempt to convince Islington Council &amp; London Transport to attempt to &#039;invest&#039; in the new stadium project, and carry the cost of regenerating some of the infrastructure around the stadium. Nothing really came of it beyond a conversation, so it seems as with the recent decorative cladding over the raw shell of the stadium,  improvements to tube stations and transport links will be made incrementally over time when affordable. 

It&#039;s a fair compromise, I think the stadium is a fantastic achievement for the club and all individuals involved. Although, the way things turned out with Islington Council and London Transport, it has left the project open to criticism for not having built/incorporated a brand new tube station (or access to Arsenal tube) from right under the stadium, built to the quality of the Moscow Subway. The Chav$ would&#039;ve been even more jealous,  AFC&#039;s very own bank vault &amp; subway station hidden deep below the new stadium: Neo Mɑskaʊ.  

Some wannabe Chav$ even use that as an excuse to leave the games early.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Rhys Jaggers said was interesting, relating to the Arsenal Stadium Story. </p>
<p>AFC&#8217;s new stadium was built using the same process&#8217; that any large scale commercial development project in London would require or use.<br />
But stadiums (I can&#8217;t give any specific examples) can be funded as public infrastructure projects. e.g. In New York, home of Wall Street, the subway system was built using a Bond Issue, I think, &amp; vaguely speaking, the Jubilee Line extension successfully applied a smorgasbord of techniques.  </p>
<p>I believe there was an attempt to convince Islington Council &amp; London Transport to attempt to &#8216;invest&#8217; in the new stadium project, and carry the cost of regenerating some of the infrastructure around the stadium. Nothing really came of it beyond a conversation, so it seems as with the recent decorative cladding over the raw shell of the stadium,  improvements to tube stations and transport links will be made incrementally over time when affordable. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a fair compromise, I think the stadium is a fantastic achievement for the club and all individuals involved. Although, the way things turned out with Islington Council and London Transport, it has left the project open to criticism for not having built/incorporated a brand new tube station (or access to Arsenal tube) from right under the stadium, built to the quality of the Moscow Subway. The Chav$ would&#8217;ve been even more jealous,  AFC&#8217;s very own bank vault &amp; subway station hidden deep below the new stadium: Neo Mɑskaʊ.  </p>
<p>Some wannabe Chav$ even use that as an excuse to leave the games early.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with sugar daddies as such as long as they genuinely have the interests of the club at heart (e.g. Dietmar Hopp at Hoffenheim) but where the situation becomes blurred is at places like Chelsea and Man City where it be becomes a plaything, a chance to play Football Manager in the real world with owners having an opportunity to play God with a football team. Fundamentally Arsenal and United are football teams that represent local traditions and communities. It&#039;s fine that they have become global concerns but at the same time it&#039;s important they adhere to their original roots. No doubt I&#039;m about be slaughtered for my anachrostic and my naive views but I don&#039;t give a flying f*ck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with sugar daddies as such as long as they genuinely have the interests of the club at heart (e.g. Dietmar Hopp at Hoffenheim) but where the situation becomes blurred is at places like Chelsea and Man City where it be becomes a plaything, a chance to play Football Manager in the real world with owners having an opportunity to play God with a football team. Fundamentally Arsenal and United are football teams that represent local traditions and communities. It&#8217;s fine that they have become global concerns but at the same time it&#8217;s important they adhere to their original roots. No doubt I&#8217;m about be slaughtered for my anachrostic and my naive views but I don&#8217;t give a flying f*ck.</p>
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		<title>By: Ole Gunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ole Gunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I&#039;m necessarily against rich owners overpaying for a box, or any such scheme to put money into clubs.

Revenue is revenue. If Abramovich is willing to pay £40M a year for his box, or even £60M, it is no problem to me, so long as revenue is tied to spending in the same period and is relatively predictable.

Unpredictability is what leads to inflation. If Chelsea spend £300M to buy a team to replace their current ancients, it is very inflationary if people believe they have unlimited funds. Other clubs would feel that to compete with Chelsea they have to spend at similar levels. If on the other hand, you realise its a one-off, their inflationary antics are less likely to make you spend more.

In any case, the constraints on their wages would curb excessive spending from them.

I personally have no philosophical problems with sugar daddies. My problem with them is the risk that a club suffers when Abramovich decides it might be more fun to buy Tonga and all the lovely if large-sized maidens therein, than owning a bunch of muscular apes with no restraints to their sleazy natures. The other problem is inflation. It is bad enough that KGB Fulham can buy 2 Premier League titles, it is a disaster that clubs have to risk bankruptcy to compete with them, much bigger clubs with more merit to boot.

I detest the fact that they could build success by going after Arsenal and Man United targets and paying twice or thrice the asking price. So they denude their competitors and strengthen simultaneously....by any definition that&#039;s doping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m necessarily against rich owners overpaying for a box, or any such scheme to put money into clubs.</p>
<p>Revenue is revenue. If Abramovich is willing to pay £40M a year for his box, or even £60M, it is no problem to me, so long as revenue is tied to spending in the same period and is relatively predictable.</p>
<p>Unpredictability is what leads to inflation. If Chelsea spend £300M to buy a team to replace their current ancients, it is very inflationary if people believe they have unlimited funds. Other clubs would feel that to compete with Chelsea they have to spend at similar levels. If on the other hand, you realise its a one-off, their inflationary antics are less likely to make you spend more.</p>
<p>In any case, the constraints on their wages would curb excessive spending from them.</p>
<p>I personally have no philosophical problems with sugar daddies. My problem with them is the risk that a club suffers when Abramovich decides it might be more fun to buy Tonga and all the lovely if large-sized maidens therein, than owning a bunch of muscular apes with no restraints to their sleazy natures. The other problem is inflation. It is bad enough that KGB Fulham can buy 2 Premier League titles, it is a disaster that clubs have to risk bankruptcy to compete with them, much bigger clubs with more merit to boot.</p>
<p>I detest the fact that they could build success by going after Arsenal and Man United targets and paying twice or thrice the asking price. So they denude their competitors and strengthen simultaneously&#8230;.by any definition that&#8217;s doping.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@fungunner
It&#039;s a good point you make about &quot;artificially&quot; boosting turnover/income. At least, though, it could stop the likes of Mansour and the Russian Crook from going on a fast-track spending spree of forking out £250m in transfer fees and ludicrous wages (160k per week for Teve$) in a short period of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@fungunner<br />
It&#8217;s a good point you make about &#8220;artificially&#8221; boosting turnover/income. At least, though, it could stop the likes of Mansour and the Russian Crook from going on a fast-track spending spree of forking out £250m in transfer fees and ludicrous wages (160k per week for Teve$) in a short period of time.</p>
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		<title>By: FunGunner</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the &quot;rent payments&quot; would affect profit, not turnover, wouldn&#039;t it? Scratch that part!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the &#8220;rent payments&#8221; would affect profit, not turnover, wouldn&#8217;t it? Scratch that part!</p>
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		<title>By: FunGunner</title>
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		<dc:creator>FunGunner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finance is not my strong point, but I agree about wage inflation being the source of the problem and a wage BILL cap (not a wage cap) being part of the answer. However it occurs to me - would you also have to define turnover or legitimate sources of income (gate, TV, transfers out etc) so that the club&#039;s turnover couldn&#039;t be artificially inflated by an owner paying ludicrous amounts for a box of shirts, or some other good or service? I think the answer would have to include the enforcement of far stricter accounting standards which uniformly applied across Europe - no Tottenscum-style hiding in the Virgin Island, basically!
And if a club&#039;s home has been &quot;donated&quot; - perhaps their turnover should have notional &quot;rent&quot; payments deducted from it to make a wage bill cap calculation fairer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finance is not my strong point, but I agree about wage inflation being the source of the problem and a wage BILL cap (not a wage cap) being part of the answer. However it occurs to me &#8211; would you also have to define turnover or legitimate sources of income (gate, TV, transfers out etc) so that the club&#8217;s turnover couldn&#8217;t be artificially inflated by an owner paying ludicrous amounts for a box of shirts, or some other good or service? I think the answer would have to include the enforcement of far stricter accounting standards which uniformly applied across Europe &#8211; no Tottenscum-style hiding in the Virgin Island, basically!<br />
And if a club&#8217;s home has been &#8220;donated&#8221; &#8211; perhaps their turnover should have notional &#8220;rent&#8221; payments deducted from it to make a wage bill cap calculation fairer.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lewis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Man United fan and this UEFA proposal could be good news for us if it forces the Glazers to sell up. I think it could be good news for Arsenal as well because although you have your debt under control the motives of Usmanov and Kroenke are unclear. Were they thinking of a leveraged buyout? If they were then they will have to think again.
Quite frankly I&#039;m sick to the back teeth with football at the moment and especially with my club which is more interested in becoming a brand rather than what it is; a football club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Man United fan and this UEFA proposal could be good news for us if it forces the Glazers to sell up. I think it could be good news for Arsenal as well because although you have your debt under control the motives of Usmanov and Kroenke are unclear. Were they thinking of a leveraged buyout? If they were then they will have to think again.<br />
Quite frankly I&#8217;m sick to the back teeth with football at the moment and especially with my club which is more interested in becoming a brand rather than what it is; a football club.</p>
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		<title>By: Ole Gunner</title>
		<link>http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/2695/comment-page-1#comment-16942</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting paragraph from the Guardian article:

&quot;The Premier League today defended the amount of debt carried by its clubs, arguing that as they make the most money of any in Europe, they can be expected to borrow more too. A spokesman pointed to the rules introduced by the league last summer, including a &quot;going concern&quot; test by which accountants will inspect clubs&#039; books and financial projections, as evidence that the league is concerned about the issue. &quot;The critical point is not the absolute size of any debt,&quot; he said, &quot;but how sustainable it is.&quot;

The Premier League won&#039;t accept reform. Essentially there&#039;s a spokesman saying that they would reactively test clubs every season with a going concern test. The test was in place this season, and it does not seem to have predicted the troubles Pompey is facing.

There is no evidence that the Premier League even has a plan of action for when clubs fail talk less of when a club fails their going concer test.

David Conn was exactly right. The problem at the heart of financial trouble in all football is wage inflation. If wages continue to rise at current levels, football would simply collapse at some point. Most of the other sources of overspending are also linked to this one point. Everything from fantastical transfer fees, to high ticket prices is linked to this problem.

The solution is a wage bill cap. Allow clubs to pay what they want to any 1 individual, but limit what percentage of turnover they can pay as wages. Be very clear what constitutes wages, and rendder illegal any kind of payment to players outside that definition.

The other thing needed is transparency in the process of buying clubs. Make sure that prospective buyers say upfront how much they will invest over a 5 year period. Make this sum public and ask propsective owners of clubs to issue a bond for the pledged amount which should not be regulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting paragraph from the Guardian article:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Premier League today defended the amount of debt carried by its clubs, arguing that as they make the most money of any in Europe, they can be expected to borrow more too. A spokesman pointed to the rules introduced by the league last summer, including a &#8220;going concern&#8221; test by which accountants will inspect clubs&#8217; books and financial projections, as evidence that the league is concerned about the issue. &#8220;The critical point is not the absolute size of any debt,&#8221; he said, &#8220;but how sustainable it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Premier League won&#8217;t accept reform. Essentially there&#8217;s a spokesman saying that they would reactively test clubs every season with a going concern test. The test was in place this season, and it does not seem to have predicted the troubles Pompey is facing.</p>
<p>There is no evidence that the Premier League even has a plan of action for when clubs fail talk less of when a club fails their going concer test.</p>
<p>David Conn was exactly right. The problem at the heart of financial trouble in all football is wage inflation. If wages continue to rise at current levels, football would simply collapse at some point. Most of the other sources of overspending are also linked to this one point. Everything from fantastical transfer fees, to high ticket prices is linked to this problem.</p>
<p>The solution is a wage bill cap. Allow clubs to pay what they want to any 1 individual, but limit what percentage of turnover they can pay as wages. Be very clear what constitutes wages, and rendder illegal any kind of payment to players outside that definition.</p>
<p>The other thing needed is transparency in the process of buying clubs. Make sure that prospective buyers say upfront how much they will invest over a 5 year period. Make this sum public and ask propsective owners of clubs to issue a bond for the pledged amount which should not be regulated.</p>
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		<title>By: ibbs</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Superb article as always,i&#039;ve stopped reading the(we knw more than Wenger)websites.
Your articles SHOULD be given out to moaning arsenal fans on match days,hopefully should make them see WHY Arsene&#039;s doesn&#039;t spend like DODGY SPURS.With Harry there it won&#039;t be long b4 they go the pompey route,lol!
Superb work guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Superb article as always,i&#8217;ve stopped reading the(we knw more than Wenger)websites.<br />
Your articles SHOULD be given out to moaning arsenal fans on match days,hopefully should make them see WHY Arsene&#8217;s doesn&#8217;t spend like DODGY SPURS.With Harry there it won&#8217;t be long b4 they go the pompey route,lol!<br />
Superb work guys.</p>
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